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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 28, 2012 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TDIH 1973

http://archive.org/details/gd1973-03-28.beyer.backstrom.miller.74682.sbeok.flac16

This show is a winner. (And this time I checked the date, since I'm becoming famous for recommending TDIH's that aren't - aren't TIDH's, that is).

Have listened through You Ain't Woman Enough and Donna does just great. (A horrible sexist song but so much fun.) As it ends, someone says, "She ain't bad .." I agree.

"Klingons approaching at Warp 5 ..." and Bobby announces, "Roachen ist Verboten in zie Halle."

And then the China Cat is like, what more do you want out of life?

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Mar 28, 2012 11:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

This show is possibly the best of March, and that's saying a lot, when considering the stiff competition from the likes of 3/22, 3/24, and 3/31. But this Dark Star is just soooo monumental, to me they really didn't do a better one 'til you get to the fall. And the Eyes and Playin' that follow are nearly every bit as good. A real classic this one is!

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Poster: Skobud Date: Mar 29, 2012 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Im gonna go ahead and disagree with ya on that one CC. I have a serious soft spot for 3/24.

That He's Gone > Truckin' > Spanish Jam > Dark Star > Sing Me Back Home > Sugar Magnolia chunk is truly one for the ages. Couple that with the HCSunshine and China>Rider - dude 3/24 is straight up outta control.

3/28 aint too shabby either, but I gotta say 3/24 is mo betta imo. Im gonna have to give 3/28 another spin though - it has been a while for me.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Mar 29, 2012 3:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

I also think 3/24 is hands down the best of the month. That segment you mention is one of the highlights of the year IMO, and that 20+ jam out of Truckin' is one of my favorite Phil moments ever. Spot-on playing the whole show, as it the case with most '73 shows though. But the Spectrum show is just a beast. Maybe I'm overrating it because I'm such a Phil-Head, but I don't think so.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Mar 30, 2012 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Hey now, I certainly won't disagree with you guys....I meant more that it was a contender, but not necessarily the best. I have a serious soft spot for 3/24 myself. I just recently spent some time listening to all of March '73 and I have found something to love in almost every show. Especially If you throw 4/2 in the mix you've got some legendary shit going on here...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 28, 2012 2:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

How is it sexist if it was written by a woman ( loretta lynn ) about herself and her own personal experience? Just because you disagree or would view it different doesnt make her sexist. How can one be sexist against themselves?

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 29, 2012 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

I'm not sure why, but here goes....

Hating her for what she is = Sexist?
Hating her for what she does = Not sexist?

I like the song. Never really looked at it from a PC/Non-PC perspective. It's just a song about women with real-world problems and the gritty way we humans deal with such conflict.

To me, the song comes from hatred of one woman not from hatred of all women. That's just how I hear it.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 28, 2012 2:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

What's wrong with being sexist?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBbE-v4VTxw

Such a fine line between clever and stupid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InwMfeT2FdY&;feature=relmfu

And kudos to Jack White for late career help to Loretta Lynn and Wanda Jackson.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 28, 2012 3:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Women can be sexist. Women like you, they come a dime a dozen, you can buy em anywhere... women are horrible to each other. Doesn't mean its not a good song. Excuse weird errors, typing on phone.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 28, 2012 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Women can be horrible to each other or to men but i never said women were immunevto sexism. Hell they get away with quite often really. But how is calling a hootch a hootch nescessarily sexist?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 28, 2012 6:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Don't know why you're upset about this. Sexist song lyrics in rock and roll aren't news. Country music is even worse.

Let's just say, the song is not a call to sisterhood. I LIKE the song, please understand.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 28, 2012 6:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Asking a question makes me upset? You evading a simple question and not backing up what i think is an incorrect statement is now making me upset. Face it you cant back up something you said so instead are trying to make me out to be the one with the problem. Ever even watch coal miners daughter or know the actual basis of that song?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 28, 2012 6:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Oh, come on, I really don't care if it's sexist or not. It's TEXTBOOK sexist, Johnny. I don't know how to explain it to you! I am not trying to have a fight with you! I don't think you have a problem.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 28, 2012 10:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

But if it's textbook sexist you should be able to bust out that textbook and explain it then. I just asked a question on why you say it's sexist because I'm not seeing it. If you mean some all encomposing statement on how people and women and society viewed staying in their marriage even with a drunk jerk of a husband then thats one thing. But how is calling out a woman who knows shes with a married man sexist? Because shes only calling her out and not him? She wrote at least one tune calling him out. Do you know the story about the song?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Mar 29, 2012 5:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

The story behind the song, while interesting, wouldn't be the deciding factor in whether it was either sexist or not sexist. If I were to write something about my life and then conclude, "I learned that True Womanhood means being passive and following my lord and husband," or "If a woman is woman enough, she can take any man, because 'woman' means 'sexually attractive," then it wouldn't matter that it was inspired by my life, would it? It would still be sexist.

It would be "legitimate" in the sense that it was a personal sense of reality, but so is racism or anti-semitism or whatever. Racists really DO think that other races are inferior, and they have personal stories to "back it up." They're still racist. Ditto sexism. A personal story and genuine personal feelings doesn't make the difference.

And of course women can be sexist. Phyllis Schafly? Tammy Fae Bakker? Lots of women hold views that are widely viewed by others as sexist. One textbook for that would be Andrea Dworkin's "Right-Wing Woman." Not saying it wouldn't grate on me at this stage of the game; just saying, well, that's one possible textbook for the notion that women can certainly be sexist against themselves and others, if you're looking for a textbook ...

As for this song: if someone's "not woman enough" then the nature of "woman" is defined, and it's defined in relation to taking a man. Doesn't make it a horrible song, and I'm sure there are arguments that it's NOT sexist, too. But it's not hard to see it as sexist. When music conveys sexism, it doesn't generally do it through a lecture; it's a point of view that it takes. Sometimes obviously ("Stand By Your Man"), sometimes more subtly ... heck, that's why there ARE textbooks. So academics can argue about what is and isn't fitting into the definition of (fill in the blank. In this case, "sexist.")

Btw, no offense taken and no offense meant :-)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 29, 2012 6:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart :) just wasn't up for trying to explain ...
Would only add that the notion of women fighting over men this way is a stereotype. Women do sometimes fight over men, of course, but a song like this depicts it in a caricatured way. There's plenty of songs like that ... country music is full of "My woman done me wrong, so I shot her ..." or "My man done me wrong, but I'm standin' by him ..."

Again guys, I LIKE the song.
And "Man Smart, Woman Smarter" is sexist too, if it's any comfort, and I like that song too.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 28, 2012 10:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgylOni0JSI

You've been makin' your brags around town that you've been a lovin' with my man
But the man I love when he picks up trash he puts it in a garbage can
And that's what you look like to me and what I see is a pity
You'd better close your face and stay out of my way
If you don't wanta go to Fist City
If you don't wanna go to Fist City you'd better detour round my town
Cause I'll grab you by the hair of the head and I'll lift you off of the ground
I'm not a sayin' my baby is a saint cause he ain't
And that he won't cat around with a kitty
I'm here to tell you gal to lay off of my man if you don't wanna go to Fist City
Come on and tell me what you told my friends if you think you're brave enough
And I'll show you what a real woman is since you think you're hot stuff
You'll bite off more than you can chew if you get too cute or witty
You better move your feet if you don't wanna eat a meal that's called Fist City
If you don't wanna go to Fist City...
[takes on a whole other meaning in the castro...]
I'm here to tell you gal to lay off of my man if you don't wanna go to Fist City

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 28, 2012 11:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

So what say you bluedevil? Is that sexist?

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Poster: gratefuldiver Date: Mar 28, 2012 11:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

"Women are horrible to each other"?!? This makes a song sexist? Men are horrible to each other also. Ever hear about the Civil War, World War I, Vietnam, etc. Does this make men sexist because they kill each other without questioning why? What a ridiculous concept!!!

An example of a "horrible sexist" "textbook" song would be one of the dozens of Billie Holiday songs in which her lover cheats on her and physically abuses her and yet she longs for her lover to come back to her. In "You Ain't Woman Enough", the protagonist's lover is "caught" looking at someone else. Quite the opposite of the "textbook" female-as-a-victim song, the protagonist fights for her relationship. The reason this song is so high tempo and upbeat is because this is a song about a *strong* woman who knows what she wants and fights for it so that she doesn't becomes a victim and can then only sing a pathetic ballad about her poor misfortune afterword. If this is "textbook" sexism, there is a PhD paper waiting because you've discovered a theory of misogyny that hasn't entered mainstream women's studies programs.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 29, 2012 1:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Actually he was doing more than looking. But i dont see how this fits into sexism on her part. Is this really what society is coming to?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 29, 2012 6:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Women fighting over men who aren't worth fighting over is definitely a theme in "mainstream women's studies programs," I assure you.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 29, 2012 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

I never took a womens studies course. Isn't that sexist? to not have it be a human studies course is discriminatory isnt it?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 29, 2012 11:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

LOL. Apparently you need a little consciousness raising ... not gonna be from me, though :)
Althea?!!

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Mar 29, 2012 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Hey guys (and gal), check out track 3 "Bouncey Jam" from this 1975 studio session and tell me if you still feel like arguing. I can't even not make myself dance when I hear it.

http://archive.org/details/gd1975-02-28.sbd.smith.93779.sbeok.flac16

By the way, the song you've been arguing about is actually about cocaine as well.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 29, 2012 12:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

" By the way, the song you've been arguing about is actually about cocaine as well."

say WHAT? You're trying to not argue by saying something that begs to be argued? I can assure you Cocaine was no where near on the radar anywhere of Loretta Lynn especially when that song was written

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Mar 29, 2012 3:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Haha, my bad I should have been more clear about my joke. I know some others knew what I was talking about.

The last time I can remember there being an argument here about a song's meaning, it was when I suggested Franklin's Tower could be about cocaine use, and all sorts of fun ensued. Anyway, I hope you checked out that Bouncey Jam!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 29, 2012 7:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Yeah, if you really wanna piss people off around here, suggest that a song (any song) is about cocaine. I give you credit, suggesting this for You Ain't Woman Enough is pretty funny.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 29, 2012 7:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Casey Jones has absolutely nothing to do with cocaine.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 29, 2012 8:08pm
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LOL!!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 29, 2012 1:34pm
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Ha ha !!! He is joking. I think.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 29, 2012 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

I don't know about that, but the girl from ipanema is sexy! when she goes walking...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJkxFhFRFDA

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 29, 2012 9:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

JOTS, I'm a white U.S. male from a solid middle class southern background (one side professionals/other in ag) working hard to make it to upper middle class status. How can anything I have to say about racism, sexism, or any other -ism have any particular relevance?

But here's one to rile the masses - what do you tell a woman with two black eyes?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 29, 2012 4:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Acck, guys, sorry, I'm not up for arguing about this. Did not mean to give offense. It's simple and obvious to me, but I don't come here to argue such things, I just need to listen to the music.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 28, 2012 3:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Women can be sexist. Women like you, they come a dime a dozen, you can buy em anywhere... women are horrible to each other. Doesn't mean its not a good song. Excuse weird errors, typing on phone.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Mar 28, 2012 9:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Another great show from a fantastic month of shows. How come you went with the AUD when there is such a nice SBD available?

http://archive.org/details/gd1973-03-28.sbd.miller.86459.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 28, 2012 10:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

I don't know, but it sounds pretty great.

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Mar 28, 2012 11:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH 1973

Why not enjoy both?

http://archive.org/details/gd1973-03-28.sbd.mtx.tobin.86833.sbeok.flac16